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norsegirl ([personal profile] norsegirl) wrote2009-05-16 02:16 pm
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How to diaper?

Today's debate du jour... how to diaper our future child? I'm pretty dead-set against disposibles. Despite the chemical company propaganda, I can't believe any of them are environmentally sound. And I'm honestly not thrilled with the idea of having them hang around the house until garbage day. It's fucking hot here, so garbage starts to smell real fast. I also just read something that suggested that one of the chemicals in disposables are toxic to pets. And if I'm not watching them like hawks, I can totally see the beagles tipping over a garbage and having a snack. That puts disposables right out, though we may use them for the first week or two while we're getting settled and I'm recovering. I'd rather not, but we'll see.

Let's then go with the assumption that we're going to go with cloth... what type to choose?

Diaper service
We could pay for a diaper service, which is nice in that you don't have to do to any more effort than using a disposable. In fact it's slightly less effort because you don't even have to go out to buy more diapers, they just show up on your doorstep. Though you do have to cart used diapers around if you have to change when you are out. Not as big a deal for me since we have only one car and I almost never go anywhere except maybe a quick trip to the grocery store anyway. I figure this will cost about the same as disposables, which is a pretty penny over the years, but it does save me some considerable effort.

Pre-fold diapers
The cheapest option, and the same sort of diaper as used by the service. Would require me to do lots of laundry and figure out how to sanitize them, but would save all kinds of money.

Fitted diapers
Easy to put on like disposables, but far more expensive than the pre-folds. Would of course require the laundering like the pre-folds, and would be a much bigger up-front cost to get a big enough supply to go this way, so it might wind up costing almost as much as the service.

Thoughts?

In other news, have already done a few loads of laundry and put a second coat of primer on the dresser, so today is off to a productive start. Going to go have a shower and see what else I can accomplish.

[identity profile] eliskimo.livejournal.com 2009-05-16 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
My sister used pre-folds and my first SiL and my cousin-in-law are both fans of fitted. Based on thier experiences, I'm leaning towards the fitted. The cousin suggested I put a dozen or so on my registry in case anyone would like to buy us some as a shower gift. Second SiL is using disposables just because they are living in a tiny one-bedroom in downtown TO with laundry facilites in the basement. They weren't sure they could swing cloth diapers under the circumstances.

However, one thing they all agreed on is using disposables for the first week. Apparently meconium leaves stains you can NOT get out. Ever.

[identity profile] eve-the-just.livejournal.com 2009-05-16 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Good info on the meconium thing. All the stuff I just don't know is astounding. I guess I'll grab a package of "organic" newborn disposable diapers for the first week then.
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[personal profile] hel_ana 2009-05-17 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
For the first week, there are also g diapers. They're somewhere between disposables and cloth - the insert (the part that actually gets poop/pee on it) is the only part you get rid of, and can be thrown out, flushed, or (if it's only pee) composted in a backyard composter. Even if you're throwing them out, you're still throwing out a lot less waste for each diaper.

My suspicion, looking at them, is that the covers can probably be used as covers for cloth once you switch to that.

[identity profile] eve-the-just.livejournal.com 2009-05-17 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
I wandered around their site and their FAQ actually addresses the cloth diaper with their pants thing... apparently it tends to be leaky, so not really ideal. The cost of the inserts seems to be greater than the cost of simply purchasing a disposable diaper, even if one buys the slightly better for the environment and thus slightly more expensive disposables. And that's not considering the cost of the covers or laundering those bits. I'm not sure I really like having to rip up the liners to flush them, that seems like a yucky accident waiting to happen.

Good suggestion, and they certainly look cute, but I'm not sure they are a great solution.

[identity profile] eliskimo.livejournal.com 2009-05-17 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah. Joel & Jeny looked at those and decided they were not a workable solution.

[personal profile] rectangularcat 2009-05-20 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
I have a couple of friends who swear by them though. I was going to give them a try.

[identity profile] firefred.livejournal.com 2009-05-16 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
From all I have read ("Parents"), lots of people start with cloth diapers and then switch to disposables simply because they can't deal with the stench and the laundry. I used to be an (unpaid) babysitter when my neighbor had a kid. Whenever she could not cope, I took the baby out for a stroll. Whenever I took her out, there would be the expected mess. It was a lot easier to do the disposable thing. Sigh. Yes, it was not good for the environment. But it was easier on the kid and the mom. We just could not deal with all this mess. But since you are thinking about the beagles, I would recommend a diaper service. - When is your baby due?

[identity profile] eve-the-just.livejournal.com 2009-05-17 05:01 am (UTC)(link)
Not until August, so lots of time to think about it. Decisions, decisions...

[identity profile] sionnach-sidhe.livejournal.com 2009-05-17 02:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I use inherited cloth diapers, of various fitted styles (with covers). Of these ones, I honestly find the prefolds to be best--easy and absorbent, just a diaper, the cover, & sometimes a flushable liner. We've mostly got the Bummis brand; these covers are also the only things I've gone out & bought more of them. Despite having many plasic pants style covers in the inherited stash, I hate them & never use them. As Morgana gets bigger, I plan on just getting more prefolds/Bummis covers.

We do use 7th Generation disposables for long trips out (just easier than carrying around used diapers for more than 2 changes). However, Toronto's green bin program accepts diapers as compostable material! Makes me feel better about the use of them, but I wouldn't want to be paying for them for full-time use.

Definitely use disposables & wipes until the meconium is gone!!!

I've heard great things about the Bum Genious all-in-ones, but don't have any experience with them.

I don't mind doing the wash, it's one smaller load every 3rd day or so. I use PC green detergent & just run the load twice, then line dry (sun bleaches out all stains!!) & a quick tumble to resoften them. As she gets older I think I want one of those toilet attachments to spray more solid poops directly into the toilet.

[identity profile] eliskimo.livejournal.com 2009-05-17 02:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Marie, my cousin-in-law loves Bum Genious.

[identity profile] eve-the-just.livejournal.com 2009-05-17 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I went to the Bummis site (http://www.bummis.com/en/Products/covers/Index.html) and they have a LOT of different covers... which ones are you using and preferring? I'm guessing the Super Whisper Wrap?

[identity profile] sionnach-sidhe.livejournal.com 2009-05-17 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
We've got old ones (proto-Originals, probably), Super Whispers & Super Brites. I think I actually prefer the brites best--the gusseted legs are great. I'm finding having about 5-6 wraps working for a few days worth of diapering, if you're curious about how many you'd need (I think we might have only had 4 newborn ones though)

[identity profile] eve-the-just.livejournal.com 2009-05-17 03:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for reading my baby-brain. I was totally going to ask how many but apparently it didn't get typed.

I'm tossing up whether to buy their "starter set" or whether to just pick up the covers and go for much cheaper cloth pre-folds from Target or Wal-Mart. Do you think there is much of a difference and would it really matter?

[identity profile] sionnach-sidhe.livejournal.com 2009-05-17 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I would probably just get the starter set -- I've wished they had a set just for larger babies, since we're past the newborn stage & don't need the little ones. I haven't seen the WalMart ones, but I do imagine there's a quality difference. You want absorbency, & I know these ones are good. Also if you go this route your daughter will be wearing these things on her bum for the first 2-3 of life, every day.

[identity profile] eve-the-just.livejournal.com 2009-05-17 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
How big is your baby now? They have a 15-30 lb kit here that has 24 prefolds and 4 of the whisper wraps for $118 USD. I imagine you must be able to get the same set in Canada if you wanted it.

http://www.babyearth.com/bummis-cotton-diapering-kit-stage-2.html

I've done a bit of online reading and it appears the Wal-Mart ones by Gerber are garbage, so now I'm just deciding between getting the stage 1 kit or saving $20 and getting the super-brite wraps and chinese prefolds. Kinda nice because I'd get to choose the wraps you recommend and save $20, but I'll have to ask about the quality of the diapers.

Something to tackle after the next paycheque arrives. With all the shopping I've done this week we are completely tapped. It's been a long time since I've seen the bank account this small.

[identity profile] sionnach-sidhe.livejournal.com 2009-05-18 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the tip--M's about 17lbs now, & I'd only seen the newborn starter box.

If the other prefolds check out that might be a good way around it all. Also perhaps see if there's some used for sale? I know it sounds icky at first (used diapers??) but since they're made to be rewashed it really is ok (from the right source, of course). And if the washing is not up your alley, you can always see what kinds the services are providing (prefold or AIOs) & get some snazzy covers of your own for their prefolds (you'd then just have a few covers to rinse/wash at home).

[identity profile] eve-the-just.livejournal.com 2009-05-18 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
I feel entirely overwhelmed by the number of choices out there. I really wish I could find an independent site that reviewed these things, but everything I run into online seems to have an agenda. I don't trust anything I read out there because everyone is trying to push/sell their chosen product. And the reviews from individual users are practically useless because most of us don't have the finances or number of children required to adequately play test the whole spectrum of available options.

[identity profile] eve-the-just.livejournal.com 2009-05-18 03:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Auction for the 15-30 lb kit:
e-bay auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/Bummis-Cotton-Diapering-Kit_W0QQitemZ260410695504QQihZ016QQcategoryZ146531QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Only ships to US, but you might have a friend you can have it sent to and pick it up at an SCA event or something. I'd say ship it to me and I'll pass it on to you, but I'm guessing the shipping on that would negate any savings you might get from buying it at auction. And if you ask nicely, some sellers will ship to Canada for a small fee.

[identity profile] haworth-attard.livejournal.com 2009-05-20 02:05 pm (UTC)(link)
My vote goes to Diaper service. That way you have no late night laundering when you unexpectedly run out of diapers.